What makes me a redneck?

[Fender]

Driving your kids around in a car is more dangerous than having a pool which is more dangerous than owning a gun.
just sayin'

[YourGrandpa]

No gramps. We're all in this together and - like it or not - America is leading the world towards the future. The problem is that America is leading us over a cliff.

This has nothing to do with heritage or birthplace. The man has nailed you on several points. You do indeed think the US is the shit and you have completely ignored advice/links/whatever when people posted them on eleventy billion occasions. Bringing up the fact that he's not Amurcan and therefore couldn't possibly understand what the issues are is like saying we can't have opinions on movies unless we're movie directors/producers/actors.

The thing I've noticed about your posts is that you get annoyed when people criticize something but don't immediately offer solutions in the same post. Again...this is like saying you can't have an opinion on Murcuh unless you're American.

Fuckin redneck.

Hey genius, WE KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE, just like you. And if your special country knows so much better, why is that WE are leading YOU over the cliff? Could it possibly be that you don't have a solution? Maybe it's easier to blame everything on the US. Whatever the case may be, there comes a point when your so called opinion becomes moot and looks more like hate. You're also right, I do think America is the greatest country in the world. As I'm sure you feel the same about your native land. But I don't ignore what's going on, nor am I in the need of some fuckwit foreigner to point things out. I know that your (GKY and PUFF) views are slanted and you get off pointing out America's shortcomings. You hate America and that's fine. But I don't hate your country. As a matter of fact. I, just like many other Americans would probably hop on a ship/plane tomorrow to help defend your country if needed. (Please turn that last comment into the nasty American war machine.)

Fuckin Fatneck..

[YourGrandpa]

I'm sure there are just as many studies that say different.

Then find them and link them here.

I have to say the most obvious thing in that study was that the death rate in the target groups was similar, regardless of firearms.

But the other obvious thing was that the availability of guns makes it more likely the accident/murder/suicide will be from a gun.

I'm not fucking google... You find it.

[GONNAFISTYA]

Hey genius, WE KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE, just like you. And if your special country knows so much better, why is that WE are leading YOU over the cliff? Could it possibly be that you don't have a solution?

Many world governments DO offer solutions but - like your post points out - you yanks don't want any smelly feriners telling you what to do.

Whatever the case may be, there comes a point when your so called opinion becomes moot and looks more like hate.

It's not hate. It's exasperation and a "why are you so fucking stupid" approach to talking/bitching about the US. (more on that below)

You're also right, I do think America is the greatest country in the world. As I'm sure you feel the same about your native land.

And that's why Puff was correct about you being a redneck. And truth be told I don't think that Canada is the greatest place, either. It's simple, I've been around the world and actually lived in other countries and got a good look at how they live their lives. Canada is in fact NOT a great place BECAUSE of the American influence on it. Canada would be even better if we didn't do everything the yanks told our spineless government/corporations what to do.

But I don't ignore what's going on, nor am I in the need of some fuckwit foreigner to point things out.

Redneck.

I know that your (GKY and PUFF) views are slanted and you get off pointing out America's shortcomings. You hate America and that's fine. But I don't hate your country. As a matter of fact. I, just like many other Americans would probably hop on a ship/plane tomorrow to help defend your country if needed. (Please turn that last comment into the nasty American war machine.)

Fuckin Fatneck..

I won't speak for Puff, but what most people already know here is that I actually WANT THE US TO SUCCEED AND BE THE BEACON OF GOOD IT'S WAS SUPPOSED TO BE!!!! If you fail alot of those ideals will disappear and real dictatorships/fascism can take over again...like in the days of the Caesars.

I'd love for America to turn away from it's current Nazi-like path. Nothing would make me happier. I wasn't an America basher until AFTER I learned that the US has been a true force for evil in the world for the past 130 fucking years. America the idea is wonderful and could have been great. The only problem is that your country only held it's core ideals for the first few years before the greedy and stupid took over. And no...the greedy and stupid have never relinquished their control.

The sad fact is that indeed the dumb rednecks are running the world. That's what I'm bitching about you fucking K-Mart shopper.

[Tormentius]

So to sum it up, YGP is a redneck because he thinks Amurka is God's gift to the world, he is incapable of and uninterested in, understanding the views of others, he keeps guns in his house despite the risk of his child unlocking the cabinet and then blowing himself or another away. And generally, he's dumb and loves consumption.

If proper (eg. legally required) precautions are followed theres no chance of that. So, to sum it up, you don't have the first fucking clue about the topic other than what alternet and gun control sites spoon feed you.

Edit: Proper safety precautions such as trigger locks and separate locked ammunition inside a locked gun vault keep any responsible owner's firearms as safe as possible. Considering the amount of firearms owned in this country the number of accidental deaths are small and far outweighed by cars, smoking, drinking, obesity, heart disease, biking, the list goes on and on. Its irresponsible twats that don't use the proper safeguards that cause the vast majority of problems but the same is true anything in life (eg. drunk driving, etc).

[GONNAFISTYA]

Then find them and link them here.

I'm not fucking google... You find it.

lol

You DEMAND that people offer solutions, links or ideas when you argue them yet won't do it yourself. You must be a joy at a dinner table discussion.

[Peenyuh]

I must say, it doesn't seem to me to make a difference if a child dies by gun or by auto or by lightning strike. Death is not measured in severity or cause. Dead is dead. The public here is outraged that smokers inflict their poisonous second hand smoke on the innocent public. These outraged individuals, after delivering their scathing rebukes upon said smokers, hop in their death-gas spewing Fords. My phuq'ng god! My own opinion: It's not our tools that kill us cave men, it's the ignorance in which we raise our children in. And that goes for ALL countries around our planet.

As for America bashing: Whatever. I mean hey, I'm just relieved we aint France.

[Captain]

GERMS ARE JUST A CONSPIRACY THEORY CREATED TO SELL SOAPS AND DISINFECTANTS

[YourGrandpa]

Blabber blabber, blubber

I've got to know what country you think represent the ideal example for the world.

Come on tell us, Fatneck.

[GONNAFISTYA]

Easy one, cabbage head: A combination of the US, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland and The Netherlands.

The problem is that Murcuuh is the only one not playing by their own rules and being an asshole.

Redneck.

[GONNAFISTYA]

lol

Gramps is too stupid to know that the UN is around for helping with a few of the problems. And we all know what rednecks think of even the idea of the UN.

And yes Peenyuh...even France does it better than the US.

Healthcare anyone?

[YourGrandpa]

It's easy to sit in your reinforced chair and spout bullshit, isn't it?

Nothing again, Fatneck.

[GONNAFISTYA]

Pfft.

There you go being the narrow-minded, brick forehead thing again. Oh yeah...they call em rednecks.

[GONNAFISTYA]

It's easy to sit in your reinforced chair and spout bullshit, isn't it?

Nothing again, Fatneck.

Sergeant gramps in full ignore mode.

So what's your plan, moss head?

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

So to sum it up, YGP is a redneck because he thinks Amurka is God's gift to the world, he is incapable of and uninterested in, understanding the views of others, he keeps guns in his house despite the risk of his child unlocking the cabinet and then blowing himself or another away. And generally, he's dumb and loves consumption.

If proper (eg. legally required) precautions are followed theres no chance of that. So, to sum it up, you don't have the first fucking clue about the topic other than what alternet and gun control sites spoon feed you.

Edit: Proper safety precautions such as trigger locks and separate locked ammunition inside a locked gun vault keep any responsible owner's firearms as safe as possible. Considering the amount of firearms owned in this country the number of accidental deaths are small and far outweighed by cars, smoking, drinking, obesity, heart disease, biking, the list goes on and on. Its irresponsible twats that don't use the proper safeguards that cause the vast majority of problems but the same is true anything in life (eg. drunk driving, etc).

You are seriously retarded. Come back when you can fashion a cogent argument.

[Dukester]

goddam what is the fucking problem here?

--Damn proud to be a redneck.

[Tormentius]

You are seriously retarded. Come back when you can fashion a cogent argument.

Don't get pissy because I disagree with your opinion. Why don't you explain how someone is going to get into a combination gun vault and then magically get the keys to unlock both the trigger locks and then also the separate locked ammunition case? Or, better yet, how are they going to get into a steel gun vault that has biometric fingerprint recognition and that can only be programmed from the inside. I don't want some linked article, I'm asking you to think and establish a response.

The vast majority of firearm owners are responsible and go well beyond the safety requirements of the law, especially if children are around. When you compare the number of accidental deaths compared to the millions of licensed and responsible gun owners its small in comparison. And, out of those accidental deaths, I'd be willing to bet that most of those accidents occurred because of a lack of proper safeguards.

Edit: If you want to get upset about something why not target smoking or drunk driving, both of which kill more people annually in Canada than accidental gun deaths do.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

You are seriously retarded. Come back when you can fashion a cogent argument.

Don't get pissy because I disagree with your opinion. Why don't you explain how someone is going to get into a combination gun vault and then magically get the keys to unlock both the trigger locks and then also the separate locked ammunition case? Or, better yet, how are they going to get into a steel gun vault that has biometric fingerprint recognition and that can only be programmed from the inside. I don't want some linked article, I'm asking you to think and establish a response.

The vast majority of firearm owners are responsible and go well beyond the safety requirements of the law, especially if children are around. When you compare the number of accidental deaths compared to the millions of licensed and responsible gun owners its small in comparison. And, out of those accidental deaths, I'd be willing to bet that most of those accidents occurred because of a lack of proper safeguards.

This one goes out to you and your magical world of lock boxes and laws that don't exist and your ad hominem's and your hypotheticals.

http://www.chronline.com/story.php?suba ... om=&ucat=1

Posted Apr 2, 10:42 am.

By Dan Schreiber
The Chronicle

An autopsy was conducted Tuesday on the body of an 11-year-old boy who died of a gunshot wound he sustained at his home outside Centralia Monday night.

The Lewis County Sheriff’s Office believes the boy accidentally shot himself with a handgun while he was in the living room of the home, with his 15-year-old brother in a separate room.

The name of the boy and the official cause of death have not been released by the sheriff’s office, but phone calls on Tuesday from parents Aaron and Tanya Rothmeyer, owners of the house at 724 Teitzel Road, indicated their son’s name was Dakota � Cody for short.

Both parents were working at the time of the incident, just before 9 p.m. Paramedics attempted to resuscitate the boy in an ambulance before he was rushed to Providence Centralia Hospital, where he died at 11:30 p.m., according to the sheriff’s office.

Aaron Rothmeyer, an Aberdeen tow truck business owner who works with law enforcement agencies, expressed shock that one of his guns was involved in his son’s death.

“They knew guns since they’ve been born,” Aaron Rothmeyer said. “I don’t understand what happened. It was just something that happened. It was a freak accident.”

Detective Sgt. Stacy Brown indicated on Tuesday there was more than one firearm in the house. The incident is under investigation, she said.

Washington law does not require guns be locked in boxes in homes with children and there is no “child access prevention” law, which imposes criminal liability on adults who negligently leave firearms accessible to children. Those laws exist in various forms in 27 other states.

In the 2005 legislative session in Olympia, a bill was introduced to impose charges of reckless endangerment when loaded firearms are left where a child is able to gain access.

The bill also proposed to allow prosecutors to abstain from pressing charges, even with sufficient evidence, if prosecution would “serve no public purpose” or “result in decreased respect for the law.” With the exception of a public hearing, the bill received little attention by the Legislature.

A 2000 nationwide study by the American Journal of Public Health found that 55 percent of homes with children and firearms had one or more guns in unlocked places.

According to the state Department of Health, there were 65 gun-related deaths among Washington’s children between 1999 and 2001. Although suicide and homicide accounted for the vast majority of deaths, four incidents were unintentional and three of those were self-inflicted.

Chehalis police Deputy Chief Randy Kaut said gun locks are available from his department, and at most other law enforcement agencies in the area. At Centralia City Hall, there is a box of free locks.

...

Dan Schreiber covers county government and environmental issues for The Chronicle. He may be reached at 807-8239 or dschreiber@chronline.com.

Seems like you're the one who doesn't understand shit about this issue.

Vast majority blah blah blah get a fucking grip dummy.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Oh hey gwamps how is that biometric fingerprint system working out keeping your guns safe? Oh you say you're a redneck and don't always keep your weapons stored properly becuase you have a concealed weapon permit as does your wife and she likes to keep it handy in her purse and sometimes doesn't lock it away when she gets home because you know she gets distracted and what could happen anyway and shes a redneck too.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

What kind of a hellhole do you live in that you need to carry a gun around with you gwamps?

[Nightshade]

Am I missing something in that last article quote? It doesn't say that the guns were locked up. I see the bit about the lack of laws requiring it, but not that the kid had gotten it out of a locked vault.
PuFF, you know my feelings about gun ownership and I know yours, but let me ask you this: You've characterized guns as a public safety issue in the past, so why aren't you campaigning just as hard to ban tobacco and alcohol? They kill a LOT more people every year, and lots of tobacco advertising is targeted at kids.

[Nightshade]

What kind of a hellhole do you live in that you need to carry a gun around with you gwamps?

HA! He has zero need to carry one. He lives in fucking Port St. Lucie.

[Tormentius]

Vast majority blah blah blah get a fucking grip dummy.

I'm talking about Canada dumbass, where we do have laws requiring safeguards. Here's the relevant section of the Canadian Firearms Centre site: http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/bulletins/pub ... in23_e.asp

Edit: Most of Canadian firearms owners go beyond the requirements in using safeguards, but that doesn't agree with your views on the issue, so its conveniently ignored. If an owner gets caught without using at least the minimum safeguards it results in the owners Possession and Aquisition license being revoked as well as up to 6 years in prison and THEN additional charges are added if anything stupid was done with the gun. FFS, gun-toting gang members in Canada get off far easier than legitimate and licensed owners.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Am I missing something in that last article quote? It doesn't say that the guns were locked up. I see the bit about the lack of laws requiring it, but not that the kid had gotten it out of a locked vault.
PuFF, you know my feelings about gun ownership and I know yours, but let me ask you this: You've characterized guns as a public safety issue in the past, so why aren't you campaigning just as hard to ban tobacco and alcohol? They kill a LOT more people every year, and lots of tobacco advertising is targeted at kids.

I'm not campaigning, I'm expressing an opinion. We weren't discussing tobacco and alcohol. Make a thread about it and I'll campaign for you.

My point about the article is that despite Tormentius' contention that the vast majority of gun owners are responsible, the facts don't agree. (see the 55% of guns owners have an unlocked gun in their home statistic in that article) Even locked guns can be gotten at. Gwamps said previously that the case is unlocked with a key. Surely thats less secure than say a combination (memorized and not written down anywhere) When I was a kid I got into everything in my house. Nothing stayed hidden from me.

Gwamps is a redneck, I fear for his son's safety what can I tell ya.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Vast majority blah blah blah get a fucking grip dummy.

I'm talking about Canada dumbass, where we do have laws requiring safeguards. Here's the relevant section of the Canadian Firearms Centre site: http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/bulletins/pub ... in23_e.asp

Edit: Most of Canadian firearms owners go beyond the requirements in using safeguards, but that doesn't agree with your views on the issue, so its conveniently ignored. If an owner gets caught without using at least the minimum safeguards it results in the owners Possession and Aquisition license being revoked as well as up to 6 years in prison and THEN additional charges are added if anything stupid was done with the gun. FFS, gun-toting gang members in Canada get off far easier than legitimat and licensed owners.

Don't go shifting goal posts on me champ. We were talking about Gwamps. He lives in Florida.