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PostPosted: 07-04-2012 10:14 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


this guy sure nailed it...

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On July 2, 2012 at 12:52 pm byPorkenstein

• The Big Fat Lie.
“The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.” Joseph Goebbels, 12 January 1941.

It was not the deluge of Diamond’s created by the systemic manipulation of interest rates to rob your mortgage, nor was it the banks and their casino business practices paid for by borrowing other people’s pensions. It is not the idle undeserving rich who own 90% of the wealth despite only paying a fraction in taxes if any at all. Its not the PFI goldmine that changes your PAYE wage deductions into profits for people who don’t pay taxes at all. Its not all our politicians who were bought by big business years ago and deregulated, privitised, asset stripped and gave away publicly owned assets to private vultures. Neither is it their cheerleading championing of the gambling addicted banks. Its not the media’s corruption and obsequious brown-nosing of their neo-liberal masters, nor their rapacious pursuit of the poor, downtrodden, disabled, the Dowler’s or a derelict underclass.

No the Big Fat Lie is that it was YOUR fault people. You are lazy, addicted to welfare, demotivated to take up the hundreds of thousands of full-time high paying jobs that employers have to offer. Its often the immigrants fault because they are easy to spot on the whole and even easier to scapegoat as 20th century history warns us. The fact that patriotic knight-hooded business is systemically driven to cut costs and that makes immigrants cheaper than you is ignored (as is the link between cheap labour and youth unemployment). No, you would be cheering their good economic sense if you were a shareholder. However, if you are in work, caught in the poverty trap of low pay and reducing housing benefit, making the rational economic decision that you are better off on benefits is a scar on YOUR soul not a shaming testament to the poverty wages paid by your non-dom boss.
No people the Big Fat Lie is that it is you are ENTIRELY at fault little people. Your benefits are far too high, we need to drive them down to third world levels to make you competitive in the global market place. Also you voted for – insert party you hate here – and they have destroyed our economy with their –insert your very own cretinus world view here.

Not only that, it is Europe that has beggared us as the French were personally responsible for Lehman Brothers and Bear Sterns and the German and Scandinavian generous welfare model has made them the richest countries in Europe. What about foreign aid? Well, it does costs a fortune to sell all those arms to dictatorships not to mention the cost of Trident; the Americans want top dollar for those missiles but we have saved £2.50 on the Red Button as that’s still in Washington. And what about the disabled’s unreasonable demands to have access to a job like at Remploy? They need a dose of cold reality to teach them a lesson for their tax draining ways; after all there is plenty of water in drought burdened Britain to put them out when they set themselves alight outside of the Jobcentre .Yes little people it as your fault and your unreasonable demands for some crumbs from the rich man’s table; now you must pay with your pensions, services, jobs, wages, hospitals and – now that we can read every email/bog/post/text/telephone call – your hard won freedoms too.

No their truth is that we need to funnel even more money from the bottom to the top to pay bankrupt Zombie banks billions in UNSECURED loans so they can stagger on until they have eaten your grandchildren’s pensions too. To achieve this we need to stop the poor from going to university or receiving training (EMA). We need to make the disabled compete on “a level playing field” in the job market, scrap funding for libraries and council run crèches. Stop the unemployed and 8 out of 10 housing benefit receivers who are in employment from living in social housing, push them into the landlord’s greedy hands rather than capping rents. If they need to move to work they can always sleep under a bridge. Once upon-a-time if you were looking for work you got on your bike, now you have to work for your dole money and sleep under a bridge. We have our Trident at least with all those weapons pointing at and protecting us from umm…erm…err? What’s more our military industrial complex needs your taxes to invade foreigners and stealth bomb them back into the Neolithic past. We have been at war forever it seems. War on communists, war on drugs, war on Argentineans over a rock and some Penguins, war with Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan (again), war on terrorists, war on wedding parties for some reason and more to come because of the poisoned wells of the Holy Land are still thirsty for more blood. Welfare is too expensive! But death from above is not cheap either. Still its so far away we can forget about it can we not? No more public funerals, just shuffle the fallen off to their (soon to be private PFI) scrounging council subsidised resting places. No little people! Close those newly bankrupt hospitals, make expensive teachers redundant, pay for a two week elite sport money pit to keep US entertained as we have all the VIP seats and VIP roads to get to them quickly – you can always watch in the park.

So, why do they lie? Because the problem is not us its the systemic failure of capitalism. Because it is based on greed and exploitation. Because they know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Because they are a class of rich expensively educated out of touch toffs who profess to be sympathetic to ordinary people but nurse a deep antipathy to anyone who dare question their self serving oligarchy. Actually they are afraid that we will wake up and flex our democratic rights and vote them all into oblivion. So afraid they want to read every Tweet, email, blog, telephone and anything else they can get their hands on and jail you for a bad airport joke. If you steal a bottle of water its HMP Scumsink, if you rob millions it’s a knighthood and a place in the Royal Box at Wimbledon.

So little people, don’t be old, don’t be ill, don’t be a reader, don’t be unemployed, don’t aspire to improve yourself physically and mentally, don’t live in your own place, don’t send your kids to a comprehensive in fact don’t have kids – especially disabled kids – as you can’t afford them under the Conservatives. Do go to public school, do use off-shore accounts to defraud your neighbors, do clear the streets of scum in London so you can get to the Olympic stadium quicker, do buy private medicine, do blame Europe, immigrants, Labour, lefties, the unions and scrounging feral council house skanks. Its their fault that we lost the money, yes its their fault that we lost the money; yes definitely, unquestionably, its YOUR fault that we lost the money. Thus goes the numbskull doublethink chant from the dumbskull tongues of our media and political masters. Why do our politicians and media have no answers? Where is the dissent? The dialectical argument? The counter point in the press? No. None of that please. They are struck dumb; reduced to repeating and rehearsing old lies to themselves; their mouths so stuffed with neo-liberal gold that they are speechless. When they do manage to spit and curse at us for our spendthrift wasteful ways, all they have to offer is lies, lies, self serving lies……


not sure though




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PostPosted: 07-05-2012 02:03 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


tl;dr




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PostPosted: 07-05-2012 02:31 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


W.d.; shame he offered no solution, though. I mean, yeah, he says vote for someone else, but people don't.




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PostPosted: 07-05-2012 09:05 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


DTS wrote:
he offered no solution


behold, his majesty the king of lame debate team responses. this is how failures try to put the onus back on people who call them out on their failure

pretty decent read btw. some kind of source/link would be helpful




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PostPosted: 07-05-2012 11:58 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


seremtan wrote:
pretty decent read btw. some kind of source/link would be helpful


was posted on techweek in response to a lloyds farming off IT jobs overseas article




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PostPosted: 07-05-2012 12:06 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


those dirty british bosses, giving away our jobs to those dirty foreigners, staying over there and taking our jobs




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PostPosted: 07-05-2012 02:45 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


DEY TOOK DER DERBS!!

The guy does a good rant but the people that need to read it won't.




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PostPosted: 07-05-2012 08:20 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


what a load of wank... bla bla bla. fuck off and die already... :olo:




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PostPosted: 07-05-2012 11:26 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


While the point he's trying to make is valid, it could've been made clear in a single sentence. The rest is just padding which makes the whole thing read like a pointless rant.



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PostPosted: 07-05-2012 11:32 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


YEAH MAN WE GOT SLAVOJ ZIZEK WE DON'T NEED YOU :mad:




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PostPosted: 07-05-2012 11:41 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I just made the effort to read all of this and some of it is right but most of it is shit. Not getting that time back :/




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 01:57 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Not great. Opening paragraph is decent, but it just devolves into a pretty stupid rant. It reminded me of the kind of writing you see from early-20's middle class students who think they speak for the working classes, or something you'd expect to find in the comments section of the Telegraph or Guardian website.

Edit: Searched for the passage on the internet, and it indeed originated in the comments section of the Guardian website.




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 03:12 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Wow, aren't you clever with your scientifically proven prejudices. ^




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 03:17 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Looks like you just offended an early-20s middle class student sys0p.




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 03:55 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


For shame :/




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 04:35 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


capitalism is the worst system except for all the others.



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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 04:37 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


http://www.thestar.com/business/article ... rest-of-us

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Psychopathy and the CEO: Top executives have four times the incidence of psychopathy as the rest of us


but we already knew that didn't we...




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 06:00 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1222162--psychopathy-and-the-ceo-top-executives-have-four-times-the-incidence-of-psychopathy-as-the-rest-of-us

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Psychopathy and the CEO: Top executives have four times the incidence of psychopathy as the rest of us


but we already knew that didn't we...


I'm actually doing research on psychopaths (which is why I've been making the references so often lately...lol) and how much damage they do. Your article states four times more likely, but most indicators show that you are actually seven times more likely to find psychopaths in top level business and government positions then you would find in the general population.

So if you squint...to some extent...the world is literally run by nutters.




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 06:17 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Maybe they're just stressed out cause they work so hard? :clownboat:




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GONNAFISTYA wrote:
So if you squint...to some extent...the world is literally run by nutters.


Which doesn't surprise me, and I don't mean that in a cynical "the world has gone to shit" way. I think that to do extraordinary things you need to be somewhat out of the ordinary. If you're an average person, you'll be doing average things.

Those few people that rise above the rest and become highly successful probably got there because they have an out-of-the-ordinary level of dedication or devotion to what they're doing, or they have a different way of looking at things which lets them think in different ways than the average person who takes everything that's presented to him for granted.

Genius and success doesn't come from doing exactly what's expected of you.



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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 08:43 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Eraser wrote:
Those few people that rise above the rest and become highly successful probably got there because they have an out-of-the-ordinary level of dedication or devotion to what they're doing, or they have a different way of looking at things which lets them think in different ways than the average person who takes everything that's presented to him for granted.


I'm guessing they got where they are precisely because they don't feel empathy: to get ahead they will step on others not just from necessity but with glee...they take real satisfaction in manipulating others and plot & scheme as a matter of course.

Eraser wrote:
Genius and success doesn't come from doing exactly what's expected of you.


A very large percentage of successful people in the entertainment industry suffer from mental illness. With comedians it's mostly depression.




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 08:47 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Without mental illness, would we have the artistic culture that we have today?




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xer0s wrote:
Without mental illness, would we have the artistic culture that we have today?


Probably not.




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 08:53 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Illness reclassification...




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 09:28 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


feedback wrote:
capitalism is the worst system except for all the others.


lol :)



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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 11:00 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


We don't have an artistic culture...

In short, you could say we have a capitalist culture. Art is usually the last consideration in any modern-day endeavour.




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 11:23 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


DTS wrote:
We don't have an artistic culture...

In short, you could say we have a capitalist culture. Art is usually the last consideration in any modern-day endeavour.


Maybe as it relates to purely financial endeavors, but ever since Louis Sullivan, art is a major part of everything we make/create, not just in architecture but in all industrial design.

Stop being so dismissive.




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 11:26 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Modern architecture is the shittest yet. Tell us who painted the Mona Lisa again, that was good...




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 11:33 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Way to completely miss the point. :up:




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 11:35 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


no u.




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PostPosted: 07-06-2012 03:40 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


GONNAFISTYA wrote:

Stop being so dismissive.


lol?




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EtUL wrote:
GONNAFISTYA wrote:

Stop being so dismissive.


lol?


:olo: Nice catch.
It must be the short nick with all the capital letters mixing me up. :owned:




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